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Carl Holmes

Let me take a stab at this with my limited knowledge.

"Statements of faith are always in subordination to the Scriptures and should not reflect any doctrine that is unbiblical or extra-biblical" I think that one reason we wish to pass on making a specific statement is that in the growth of the church creeds have been used to divide, not grow, the church. It is as if the creed became the gospel, and that is heresy in the highest.

On your second point..YES use the gospel to decide who is going to be in the church and who is not. WHY add more to it. Plain and simple the bible is the lectio divina and if we believe it GREAT, if we do not, you are not the church.

I absolutely agree that statements of faith can be used to abuse, so why use them? In a church that is trying to reach out to the people of today who are burned out on church, who sat through Catholic Primer classes amd memorized creed after creed until their eyes rolled back and they died of boredom.

Yes "having no creed but the bible" is a creed, but why do we need an official creed to say who we are? Luke 11:17 says "But He knew their thoughts and said to them, "Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and a house divided against itself falls." We, the church, are the house, the bride, and the earthly vessel of God's glory. Anything that divides us or causes dissension is not of God.


I find it odd that the very same people who are anti-creedal are the same one's who wave the Declaration of Independence, which is a creedal statement of what kind of laws we deem to be applicable to all. King George III didn't think so. I guess he was anti-creedal.

If one where to sit down with another and present the positions of the Heidleberg Catechism without telling them it was the HC you would probably find them in agreement.

Yet the moment you mention the HC their hair is on fire! It is the result of teaching buy uneducated and activist preachers who want to make their church seem more devout by stating "No creed but Christ!"

Ask someone "Do you believe that you are wholly not your own, but belong to your Savior Jesus Christ, who with His precious blood has fully satisfied for all your sins, and redeemed you from all the power of the devil; and preserves you that without the will of your Father in heaven not a hair can fall from your head; that all things work together for your salvation. Wherefore, by His Holy Spirit, He also assures you of eternal life, and makes you heartily willing and ready from now on to live unto Him?"

That, by the way, is Question 1 (Lord's Day 1) of the Heidleberg Catechism.

I have known people who said they don't believe you need to learn a catechism. But they vociferously contend that all need to know the Bible. A catechism is a regimen of instruction. It is a course curriculum designed to insure that the student gets all the necessary information. These same people I reference went to a Bible college. I can't imagining them saying to the instructor, "I don't believe we need a course syllabus!"

I find that these anti-creedal positions usually come from emotionally motivated people. They react not from knowledge but the pre-programmed aversion to creedal statements indocrinated into them by the aforementioned activist preachers.

The creedal statements that have stood the test of time come with Scripture proofs. Christ said not a hair can fall from my head but if I write that down and call it a creed I have committed a most heinous and grave sin.

You will find most of the anti-creedals to not have a problem with the recitation of the Apostle's Creed.

Its living the Christian life emotionally despite the overwhelming amount of texts which urge us to live the Christian life mentally.

Just look up how many times knowledge, understanding and wisdom are used. If you don't want to be overwhelmed do just the New Testament, that will keep you busy for quite some time.

Of course the heart of the Gospel is "believing" which the emotions are not capable of doing because that is not their function.

I agree with the Three Forms of Unity. I'm sure I will be chastened for saying that.

Go read the Three Forms (The Belgic Confession of Faith, The Canons of Dort, The Heidelberg Catechism) and review the Scripture proofs. You will find yourself disagreeing with Scripture! And that's where the rubber hits the road. I would contend that the real question is, "Hath God said...?"

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