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Diane R

This is the old Ayn Rand philosophy of "I can do whatever I want to as long as it doesn't "hurt" anyone. The problenm that these people do not see is that when boundaries are taken down privatley, that mentality also shows up corporately as we are now seeing in our country. Look at all the child molestations for example. The boundaries have been taken down at home with pornography and now it is reflected in the general society as a whole.

Jen

Another truly EXCELLENT post, Dory.

Jen

Ed Darrell

Nice to see someone from the Ayn Rand school complaining about Ayn Rand's effects. But I digress.

Our government in the U.S. based on a compact between citizens to make just laws and obey them -- almost exactly the same compact the passengers aboard the Mayflower struck before they disembarked at Plymouth Rock. It has been shown over time that such a government tends to produce greater moral training and concern among citizens, and greater moral bearing in the government. Experience in the previous 1,500 years showed that each time we resorted to "Bible-based" law we got lazy churches and corrupt governments.

What do you know that is superior to what Madison, Jefferson, Hamilton and Jay knew? I'm missing the point.

Dory

The text of the Mayflower Compact:

In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e&. Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia; do by these presents, solemnly and mutually in the Presence of God and one of another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid; And by Virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the General good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience. In Witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the eleventh of November, in the Reign of our Sovereign Lord, King James of England, France and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth. Anno Domini, 1620.

What is it about this document, or about the history of the Pilgrims leads you to believe that the people who signed this document and serve as one of your examples of a government that "tends to produce greater moral training and concern among citizens, and greater moral bearing in the government," considered a law just on any other basis than its conformity with the Law of God? If you read Bradford's history, you will read of a people endeavoring to apply a Biblical standard to their laws.

Of course, your comments beginning with, "It has been shown...", etc., are unsubstantiated, open to interpretation, and not useful to your argument.

You ask what I know better that Madison, et al. Nothing. That IS the point. Others claim they can rely upon their inner consciences or our collective consciences to learn what laws are just. I would not rely upon human conscience. I would desire that we rely upon the written, unchangeable law of God.

kyle

Well done!

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